Great....
http://netbeans.org/community/news/show/1507.html
...so now to find another editor/environment that integrates debugging 
(although no huge rush, as Netbeans6.9 isn't going to *stop* working ...)
Messed up on their part.
I can see their point - there's a lot of competition for a small market, and they want to focus on their core priorities... but still, they were (are) the best of the free IDEs.
Might have to bite the bullet and buy something!
Messed up on their part.
I can see their point - there’s a lot of competition for a small
market, and they want to focus on their core priorities… but still,
they were (are) the best of the free IDEs.
Might have to bite the bullet and buy something!
I have tried the demo of RubyMine and loved it but couldn’t justify spending money on it (not programming for profit, just for fun), until now. Although as th OP pointed out - 6.9 isn’t gonna stop working anytime soon.
You don’t have to 
Just use Rails.vim!
redcar is awesome
use to install
$ gem install redcar
$ redcar install
$ redcar
Noes…
Rails.vim it is.
Michael Pavling wrote in post #977908:
Great....
http://netbeans.org/community/news/show/1507.html
...so now to find another editor/environment that integrates debugging
(although no huge rush, as Netbeans6.9 isn't going to *stop* working ...)
You have no idea how happy I am to hear this. I think NetBeans is a great IDE, but 100% inappropriate for Rails. Maybe now that official support is discontinued, Rails developers will see the light and stop making life hard for themselves by using NetBeans.
Also note that they don't seem to be dropping *Ruby* support, which also makes me happy.
Best,
You don't have to
Just use Rails.vim!
Does it have (or can it be configured with) debugging breakpoint debugging? 'Fraid that's a show-stopping requirement for me (to avoid going greyer sooner)
Looking at the options, I think I may try RubyMine, and weigh-up the cost/benefit over using a syntax-highlighting text editor.
... it's so important, I said it twice! :-/
Before Netbeans I used Aptana (Red Rails) at that time, Aptana wasn't better than Netbeans, but I think now Is a good time for give it a try
Michael Pavling wrote in post #977932:
You don't have to
Just use Rails.vim!
Does it have (or can it be configured with) debugging breakpoint debugging? 'Fraid that's a show-stopping requirement for me (to avoid going greyer sooner)
Looking at the options, I think I may try RubyMine, and weigh-up the cost/benefit over using a syntax-highlighting text editor.
Save your money. Try KomodoEdit with the Ruby and Haml plugins.
You have no idea how happy I am to hear this.
When I was reading the announcement, I couldn't help thinking "Marnen's gonna be grinning!"
Mostly. I like choices, and I like IDEs, but I wish people would stop trying to use conventional IDEs for Rails. There's really no benefit, and there are lots of disadvantages.
Best,
Michael Pavling wrote in post #977932:
Looking at the options, I think I may try RubyMine, and weigh-up the cost/benefit over using a syntax-highlighting text editor.
Save your money. Try KomodoEdit with the Ruby and Haml plugins.
Save money? https://store.activestate.com/komodo-ide
$295 for a single license with no upgrades or support...
Michael Pavling wrote in post #977960:
Looking at the options, I think I may try RubyMine, and weigh-up the cost/benefit over using a syntax-highlighting text editor.
Save your money. Try KomodoEdit with the Ruby and Haml plugins.
Save money? ActiveState
$295 for a single license with no upgrades or support...
Komodo *IDE* is $295. Komodo*Edit* (which I am recommending) is free.
Why is that a showstopper?
because I want it.
I *can* code without a debugger integrated (or indeed, at all) - but I don't want to.
If you were my client, and you responded "because I want it" when I asked why a feature was of value to you, you wouldn't get the feature.
So...have you used RDB at the command line? What do you not like about it?
For the record, I normally hate command-line debuggers; RDB is the exception.
Best,
Why? Let people use whatever they like.
And how can be no benefit, you know the ton of Rails knowledge an IDE like RubyMine brings on the table?
When I need to do a session of work on a particular Rails application I use RubyMine. I’ve been a heavy emacs user for some years, I have used TextMate as everybody else, but with RubyMine my productivity is clearly better. My productivity, not necessarily your productivity.
People should remember IDEs are not for running rake task with wizards, I still have the style of working with the editor and switching to the console all the time. But RubyMine has a lot of knowledge about Ruby on Rails. My combo of choice is console + heavy-aware editor for Rails. And heavy-aware out of the box, not after these dozen plugins and these many configuration lines that give you half the experience.
I have no relationship with JetBrains, and respect the choice of TM, Vim, Emacs or whatever people choose for working.
Xavier Noria wrote in post #977968:
Mostly. I like choices, and I like IDEs, but I wish people would stop trying to use conventional IDEs for Rails. There's really no benefit, and there are lots of disadvantages.
Why? Let people use whatever they like.
Oh, absolutely, but I try to discourage bad choices. Using an IDE for Rails is IMHO a bad choice.
And how can be no benefit, you know the ton of Rails knowledge an IDE like RubyMine brings on the table?
So what? It's not worth the clunky interface.
When I need to do a session of work on a particular Rails application I use RubyMine. I've been a heavy emacs user for some years, I have used TextMate as everybody else, but with RubyMine my productivity is clearly better. My productivity, not necessarily your productivity.
My job made copies of RubyMine and TextMate available to me. I tried both and quickly went back to KomodoEdit.
People should remember IDEs are not for running rake task with wizards, I still have the style of working with the editor and switching to the console all the time.
In which case, you're not using the IDE as an IDE, and you might as well drop it in favor of an editor. (I used to use Aptana pretty much in the way you're describing.)
But RubyMine has a lot of knowledge about Ruby on Rails.
Such as? I really couldn't see any point to using it, despite all the hype.
(KomodoEdit does Rails-aware code completion if you install the Ruby plugin. I find it nearly useless, though not completely so.)
My combo of choice is console + heavy-aware editor for Rails. And heavy-aware out of the box, not after these dozen plugins and these many configuration lines that give you half the experience.
What configuration lines? KomodoEdit plugins install the same way Firefox plugins do, and generally work right out of the box.
I see no advantage in avoiding plugins -- for one thing, a plugin architecture means I can stick with an IDE I like through multiple languages. (I'm currently writing a Lilypond plugin for KomodoEdit for this very reason -- the "official" one is for jEdit, which I don't like as much.)
Best,
That was my IDE, too. I saw that coming when there was no move to make Rails 3/Ruby 1.9 work well, so I moved to RubyMine. I like it and it is easy to adjust since a lot of stuff is similar. It's too bad about NetBeans, when it worked it did a decent job.
Whenever there gets to be a discussion about Rails IDEs, there are always people who need to say, "I don't use an IDE, so I can't imagine why you would want to." I hope these people aren't designing UIs.
Please quote when replying.
Paul wrote in post #977971:
That was my IDE, too. I saw that coming when there was no move to make Rails 3/Ruby 1.9 work well, so I moved to RubyMine. I like it and it is easy to adjust since a lot of stuff is similar. It's too bad about NetBeans, when it worked it did a decent job.
Yes -- but not for Rails IMHO. I use it for Monkeybars, and would use it if I had to do a Java project.
Whenever there gets to be a discussion about Rails IDEs, there are always people who need to say, "I don't use an IDE, so I can't imagine why you would want to."
I try not to be that person. I love IDEs. I use them for languages and frameworks that benefit from them, such as Java and certain non-Rails stuff in Ruby. I was actually a little surprised when I started working with Rails to find that IDEs provided no benefit -- but that *is* the case.
I'd be happy to give RubyMine another try at some point, but I was really unimpressed by it.
Note that I'm not saying it would be absolutely impossible to design an IDE that *was* beneficial for Rails. The problem is that the dynamic nature of Rails, and to some extent Ruby, means that such an IDE does not yet exist, and would have to work very differently from the conventional IDEs that are out there. (I tend to think that the best bet would be a Smalltalk-style class browser.)
I hope these people aren't designing UIs.
I hope the people who are tied to IDEs aren't designing UIs.
Best,
eveevans wrote in post #978015:
Before Netbeans I used Aptana (Red Rails) at that time, Aptana wasn't better than Netbeans, but I think now Is a good time for give it a try
No point. I used to use Aptana also. It's no better for Rails than NetBeans, and it's buit on Eclipse, which is a lot less pleasant to use. Just get a decent project-aware editor (KomodoEdit, jEdit, TextMate, Emacs, whatever) and throw away your crutches.
Best,