PLEASE FIX THIS LIST - get a clue

Gee Giles Bowkett, you're a real class act. Glad to see your professional behavior is forever documented in Google Groups for all your associates -- present and future -- to see.

Fuck off yourself.

This is why I had this list filtered to the trash before today.

Fuck off.

> > Slapped? Good God, grow up you idiot. > > > > > > > It's not the end of the world but it was sloppy, > > inconsiderate, and > > LAME AS FUCK. Whoever did it ought to be slapped. > > The way you do it is > > this: You post the migration instructions on the > > list, many many > > times. That way anybody who cares sees it and > > follows the instructions > > -- and nobody else gets inconvenienced or SPAMMED. > > > > Honestly, I think an apology is in order. > > > > > > > > Oh, God. > > > I have also 123 messages, but I think it does not > > take me much time to > > > delete everything. And jason perhaps would have to > > have added the > > > members in the digest mode, not the mail one, but, > > on the other hand, I > > > think it's better to add directly the members (we > > don't have to do > > > anything else than change the mode of the > > incomming messages...) > > > > > > I mean, this is not the end of the world.... > > > > > > Mat Schaffer wrote: > > > > > > > > > I guess this SNAFU describes the kind of > > people who would use Ruby > > > > > on Rails : > > > > > QUICK AND DIRTY! > > > > > I guess this SNAFU describes the kind of > > people who would use Ruby > > > > > on Rails : > > > > > QUICK AND DIRTY! > > > > > I guess this SNAFU describes the kind of > > people who would use Ruby > > > > > on Rails : > > > > > QUICK AND DIRTY! > > > > > I guess this SNAFU describes the kind of > > people who would use Ruby > > > > > on Rails : > > > > > QUICK AND DIRTY! > > > > > I guess this SNAFU describes the kind of > > people who would use Ruby > > > > > on Rails : > > > > > QUICK AND DIRTY! > > > > > I guess this SNAFU describes the kind of > > people who would use Ruby > > > > > on Rails : > > > > > QUICK AND DIRTY! > > > > > I guess this SNAFU describes the kind of > > people who would use Ruby > > > > > on Rails : > > > > > QUICK AND DIRTY! > > > > > I guess this SNAFU describes the kind of > > people who would use Ruby > > > > > on Rails : > > > > > QUICK AND DIRTY! > > > > > I guess this SNAFU describes the kind of > > people who would use Ruby > > > > > on Rails : > > > > > QUICK AND DIRTY! > > > > > > > > Good lord, would someone please drop this person > > off the list? 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Stop e-mailing me already, you horrible monkeys!!!!!!!!!

Done. You've received your courtesy kick and ban. You're welcome.

Its looking like rails it getting more attention from the mainstream (stupid) crowd... : (

DHH wrote:

Its looking like rails it getting more attention from the mainstream (stupid) crowd... : (

just wait till its included in OSuX...

Dear David,

Well, how disapointed I was to find out this flame war on ruby and rails. I love rails but this is the second time that the response/action coming from the leaders of that project (security problem and today's migration) are surprising.

Using the open source for now 6 years, I understand it is not an easy thing to manage an open source project and that you are way busy fixing problem in the code or design. But documenting, communicating and responding to your user and the community are part (That you like it or not) of a successful project and of your daily life now. You cannot just let those type of discussion getting into the way of your project.

Swearing people, angry people and agressive words are not acceptable but so does sarcastic response from the leaders of a project. Those people should have clearly got the message from you that it is not ok to do so in your forum. Instead you responded ironically and sarcastically as if it was not mattering.

As a leader you must step and still respond respectfully but also be firm on not being acceptable behavior when needs to be. You also must not fall into that game of responding in a sarcastic manner. You are sending some wrong messages in the community of rails. This will make people think it is ok to swear or that you can respond in a sarcastic manner.

I have to agree that some people overeacted but you have to understand their point of view and their surprise to find tons of emails. Some simple kind(even a bit apologetics) words right away would have kept them cool and patient. You know it was not ok to not warn all of us.

Again it is also part of the successful project to clearly communicate with its users and community. Hiding things or thinking that the community will accept any changes because this how you want it is a mistake bigger than just changing an email list. This could send the wrong message to newbies or people outside or the community.

I am not trying to put any judgment on you but just reflect and make some suggestion based on my observation. Again, Karl Fogel wrote an amazing book (which I got at the OSCON in July) and honnestly this is a book that should be read by most people who want their project to be successful not only codewise but community wise.. Very well written and gets into all those sort of issues that can make a project fail although good in terms of technology. He might not have all the answer but he clearly has some very good points that you did not apply today and could hurt later.

Honnestly, I hope rails will keep on being successful and that people will keep answering the way they have been until today. I have found this mailing list to be very helpful.

Cheers

Emmanuel