partials and render_to_string

Hey all,

This is my understanding of html and browsers. On the server, html is plain text. When the browser sends request to server to fetch a document, if the file is not already in html format, perhaps instead in an rb file, ruby or whatever the server-side language of choice converts the file to html and sends it to the browser. But what if we have a partial thats not included in the document that is fetched? Does it remain on the server as plain text and, therefore, is not part of dom tree and therefore cannot be manipulated by javascript? In other words, if we try to modify a dom node via javascript that is in a partial on the server not interpeted, then javascript compiler will raise an exception of undefined object. Now one technique is to use ajax, where a user clicks a link, javascript captures event, sends request to the server via ajax, and ruby handles the request. Now if the response is to send the object back to the browser, specifically javascript in plain text, then our rails method would have something like this: render :text => ret_object.to_json. Now what if that returned object hash (that utlimately gets converted to json before we send response back to client) included this: returned_object[:data] [:view] = render_to_string :partial => '/home/my_table'. Note that my_table is a partial in home directory. When we grab the response via javascript, then we can stick it anywhere on the existing DOM tree: $('#my_table .my_content').append(resp.data.view);. Now that data can be manipulated by javascript. Is this all correct?

1) My question is does that partial remain plain text on server until it is explicitly loaded on the document that was fetched from server.

2) What exactly is the point of render_to_string? Why can't we just use "render"? Or do we need to use render_to_string in order to use the jquery append method, for example, when appending it to the DOM?

thanks for response

John Merlino wrote in post #1022569:

Hey all,

This is my understanding of html and browsers. On the server, html is plain text. When the browser sends request to server to fetch a document, if the file is not already in html format, perhaps instead in an rb file, ruby or whatever the server-side language of choice converts the file to html and sends it to the browser.

No. Suppose you had a .rb file like this:

[1, 2, 3]. each do |num|   puts num * 4 end

How would rails convert that to html? Put <h1> tags around the output? <div> tags? Use an unordered list: <ul><li></li>...<ul>?

Everything transmitted over http is plain text--it's just that when a browser sees things like <h1> in the response, it is programmed to display the text with big, bold letters.

But what if we have a partial thats not included in the document that is fetched? Does it remain on the server as plain text and, therefore, is not part of dom tree and therefore cannot be manipulated by javascript?

If the partial doesn't have anything to do with the document that the browser requested, then the browser doesn't know the partial even exists. The browser can only see what is in the response. Likewise, js doesn't know anything about the partial either.

In other words, if we try to modify a dom node via javascript that is in a partial on the server

Impossible. The dom is created by the browser from what's in the response. If it isn't in the response, it isn't in the dom. Of course, you can change the current dom with js.

then javascript compiler will raise an exception of undefined object. Now one technique is to use ajax, where a user clicks a link, javascript captures event, sends request to the server via ajax, and ruby handles the request. Now if the response is to send the object back to the browser,

Just to clarify, plain text is sent back in the response to the js request. js then interprets the plain text, much like a browser interprets an <h1> tag in the plain text it receives as a response.

specifically javascript in plain text, then our rails method would have something like this: render :text => ret_object.to_json. Now what if that returned object hash (that utlimately gets converted to json before we send response back to client) included this: returned_object[:data] [:view] = render_to_string :partial => '/home/my_table'. Note that my_table is a partial in home directory.

That is ruby code. js doesn't understand ruby. On the other hand, if that ruby code executes on the server before the response is sent back, then something may get added to ret_object, and when ret_object is converted to json format, whatever was added by the ruby code will be in the json.

ruby executes on the server, js executes in the browser. js does not execute ruby code.

When we grab the response via javascript, then we can stick it anywhere on the existing DOM tree: $('#my_table .my_content').append(resp.data.view);. Now that data can be manipulated by javascript. Is this all correct?

Yes. Once js gets a response, the js can do anything it wants with the response. If the response text is in html format, js can search for one html element in the text and insert that in the dom, or js can insert the whole html fragment in the dom.

If the text in the response is in json format, js can extract some data from the json, insert it in a div tag, and insert the div tag in the dom.

1) My question is does that partial remain plain text on server until it is explicitly loaded on the document that was fetched from server.

Everything contained in requests and responses is text, and every file on the server is text. Once the browser receives some text in html format, i.e. it has those funny looking tags everywhere, it creates the dom.

2) What exactly is the point of render_to_string? Why can't we just use "render"? Or do we need to use render_to_string in order to use the jquery append method, for example, when appending it to the DOM?

According to railsguide:

... render_to_string. This method takes exactly the same options as render, but it returns a string instead of sending a response back to the browser.

So render_to_string does not send a response back to the browser, while render :text => '<div>hello world</div>" does send a response back to the browser.

this was incredible response, everything was explained so clearly.

> 2) What exactly is the point of render_to_string? Why can't we just > use "render"? Or do we need to use render_to_string in order to use > the jquery append method, for example, when appending it to the DOM?

According to railsguide:

... render_to_string. This method takes exactly the same options as render, but it returns a string instead of sending a response back to the browser.

So render_to_string does not send a response back to the browser, while render :text => '<div>hello world</div>" does send a response back to the browser.

One addition to this: it depends if you are writing code in your controller on in a view. In a view, render just returns a string and you don't need render_to_string (I don't think it even exists). In a controller render sets the response body (and calling it a second time raises a doublerendererror), so if you need to manipulate the rendered content in anyway (e.g. stick it in a json document) then you need to use render_to_string

Fred

thanks for response