creating fixtures for has_many :through

I'm stymied at how to create a fixture that establishes a has_many
:through relationship.

I've watched the railscast at:
  http://media.railscasts.com/videos/081_fixtures_in_rails_2.mov
... but that's for HABTM relationships. I've read:
  http://www.ruby-forum.com/topic/145676
but that ultimately doesn't answer any question. So with no further
ado:

==== The models:
class User < ActiveRecord::Base
  has_many :user_roles, :dependent => :destroy
  has_many :roles, :through => :user_roles
end
class Role < ActiveRecord::Base
  has_many :user_roles, :dependent => :destroy
  has_many :users, :through => :user_roles
end
class UserRole < ActiveRecord::Base
  belongs_to :role
  belongs_to :user
end
==== The schema:
  create_table "users", :force => true do |t|
    t.string "name", :default => "", :null => false
    t.string "email", :default => "", :null => false
  end
  create_table "roles", :force => true do |t|
    t.string "name"
  end
  create_table "user_roles", :force => true do |t|
    t.integer "role_id"
    t.integer "user_id"
  end

UPDATE!

In a fit of gentle snarkiness, Fearless Fool wrote:

Before Marnen tells me to put aside my Luddite tendencies and that I
should learn factory_girl or Machinist or the next testing framework du
jour, is there any sensible way to do this using fixtures?

The more I've looked into it, the more I think Marnen would be justified
in telling me to put aside my Luddite tendencies: the fixtures framework
creates an arbitrary (and brittle) separation between test data and test
functions.

I'm currently grabbing the gems for RSpec and factory_girl.

So there!

- ff (channeling for Marnen :slight_smile:

Fearless Fool wrote:

UPDATE!

In a fit of gentle snarkiness, Fearless Fool wrote:

Before Marnen tells me to put aside my Luddite tendencies and that I
should learn factory_girl or Machinist or the next testing framework du
jour, is there any sensible way to do this using fixtures?

The more I've looked into it, the more I think Marnen would be justified
in telling me to put aside my Luddite tendencies: the fixtures framework
creates an arbitrary (and brittle) separation between test data and test
functions.

Exactly! That's a big reason that fixtures suck. It's much nicer to
use factories to create test data where you need it.

I'm currently grabbing the gems for RSpec and factory_girl.

You may find Machinist easier to work with than FG. Also check out
Faker, which is very useful with any fixture gem.

So there!

- ff (channeling for Marnen :slight_smile:

LOL! Well played. This is apparently my week to be snarked on the
list. :stuck_out_tongue:

Best,