Gee Greg, you seem extremely harsh by Ruby standards. Perhaps you are a
Lisp programmer lurking here?
Greg Donald wrote:
Your story is typical of those that use RoR. However, the problem that
schruthensis describes is that he cannot even get it going to find OUT
how good it is. I find that I am in the same boat.
The boat where you try to be a sysadmin without any previous
experience? Well what did you expect?
Holy smokes! Are you saying that only a sysadmin can install instant
rails or did you just choose that so you could say something snotty?
Jump in a chatroom and get someone to walk you through it, or hire
someone. People aren't born being good at installing software.
I have installed plenty of software. I am looking at tutorials that say
that it is super easy and that it can be done in a matter of minutes
with the "rolling with ruby on rails" tutorial. I was believing what I
was reading. It should have been straightforward, if the literature and
posters were to be believed.
It is a lot of time and effort to expend with nothing to show for it,
especially when there is a boss glaring with looks of recrimination for
"lack of productivity."
I certainly hope you don't think Rails is some silver bullet. Even
after you get it installed there's still a ton to learn. It will be
at least several months before you're "fast" with it.
If you actually read what I posted I said that I could not eve get to a
"hello world" in 8 days. That is enough for anyone to get frustrated
and you are definitely not helping.
While I am not quite under the same gun as
schruthensis, still 8 days with nothing to show is stressful and I can
empathize with him.
Learning under a deadline is doomed to failure. You should be
learning this on your own time, then bringing your new skills into
the workplace after a certain level of mastery is achieved. Even if
the boss is letting you learn Rails on the job you're not going to
immedietly begin to dish out new projects really fast.
Again, READ what I wrote. I said that I was NOT "under the same gun"
and I was NOT on a deadline. Part of the excercise was to see how easy
it was to get something going from scratch as other people would have do
be doing that where I work. Learning and doing on the go was the test.
I did not start from scratch because I am a goober but thanks for
intimating it in an open forum.
p.s. I have bought books by the stack and ebooks by the disk load.
And I suspect you've not finished a one of them. Ruby is drop-dead
simple to install. Rails is only slightly more difficult. Hire
someone to do your initial hand-holding if this sort of stuff is over
your head. You could even get a cheap web-hosting account with
everything already installed.
When it comes to a book, "finishing" can mean reading it cover to cover.
If that is the criteria, then I have. If it means doing every example
and making it work the OF COURSE I did not otherwise I would not be
having this problem. As that it obvious to the most casual observer, I
suspect that you are again saying things this way to be snotty and take
cheap shots at me. This seems reinforced when you say at this point
that rails is only slightly more difficult than drop-dead simple to
install. Well, when you took the cheap shot earlier you said that my
wanting to install rails, which is the whole point of what I have been
saying, was me trying "to be a sysadmin without any previous
experience." I am impressed that you know what my experience is. The
change from accusing me of delusions of grandeur to being so stupid that
I cannot "install software" on the very same point of contention shows
that you are just being confrontational and abusive.
I
have read through them and they all show the magic occurring after ruby
is up and running. Go figure. Anyway, it is not the books that give
the answers either.
Then look elsewhere.
That is why I am posting here, Einstein! I read the books and spent
time to try to do it on my own. I only posted here when I could not get
past the obstacle. To post earlier would be trying to get someone else
to do my work for me and I am not that way. That is point of a forum
like this is it not?
Perhaps you are just having a bad day, but please do not compound my bad
day with your own/